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291: Invention Convention ft. JB Anderton (Spyfall)

It’s like a science fair but worse.

Weirdly enough there’s actually a new James Bond movie coming out this year. As in like, for the first time in 5 years there’s a James Bond movie coming to theatres. How do I know it was 5 years? Well because I took my dad for his birthday to see it, and it was a monumental age (no, I won’t tell you what it was though). It’s Spyfall written by Chris Chibnall and aired on January 1 and 5, 2020.


Show-notes:


13:12: The Doctor Who wiki surprisingly doesn’t have a page on left handedness. So instead here’s the page on dates.
22:30: Outside of G.I. Joe, Cobra is like an Austrian military police unit, an Indian police force, and a Serbian military police force.
24:04: It’s not pinned anymore because @Prof_Quiteamess deleted it ;_;
30:38: It was actually steganography. Stenography is something else. According to the Doctor wiki, steganography was only ever mentioned in this episode.
32:11: Here’s Lenny Henry playing the Doctor in 1985. I’ve actually seen this before, but I completely forgot about it.
1:08:30: Check out Triple Play: A Movie Trilogy Podcast, that podcast that we’re finally doing again.
1:14:36: Also check out our other podcasts Zenith: A Blake’s 7 Podcast and Inevitable: A Classic Sci-Fi Podcast.
1:39:20: This is just copied straight from the Doctor Who wiki: “Editing for the DVD release was completed by the Doctor Who Restoration Team. The most prominent of these edits is to the serial’s final scenes, when the freighter crashes into prehistoric earth. The edit mainly revises the scene so that, instead of the TARDIS’s monitor showing a still image of the freighter, followed by several bright flashes (meant to represent the explosion of the impact), the screen actually shows the freighter slamming into the Earth, with the explosion being represented by a pulsating light over the impact site.” This obviously has to do with the DVD release, which came out in like 2003 (so not exactly recently). But I think this might’ve been what people were discussing when it came to the blu ray.
2:16:52: Here’s the discussion that JB mentioned.
2:19:39: And of course just check out WHO 37 in general, and also check out BAT 77 too.


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The Doctor Who title music was originally composed by Ron Grainer. The version used in this episode was arranged by Segun Akinola.

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Rocky IV, Rocky V, Rocky VI

So this week we’re dressed up in America shorts while recording.

You’ll just have to trust me on the America shorts, I swear to god we were wearing them when we recorded. Rocky IV is basically the closest America has come to having legitimate propaganda, or at least until Fox News started. Is that joke too political for this podcast? I don’t think it is. It’s Rocky IV-VI, the seminal classics.


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Lord of the Rings

The biggest trilogy ever attempted for this podcast… for a long time.

This was a serious slog. Now the real question is am I talking about the editing or the watching of these movies? I could be talking about both, it’s really late at night and I’ve been up for nearly 15 hours at this point. Which isn’t really that much of a bad thing, but I’ve been working all day. A quest of my own almost. It’s Lord of the Rings, as well as the very first episode of Season 2 of Triple Play. Let’s get this start with some Peter Jackson classics.


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Buzz Lightyear of Star Command

This seems somewhat fitting actually.

If you’ve made it this far, you’re one of like 6 people who have. Somehow I’m pretty sure Triple Play has only roughly 6 subscribers. It’s actually probably 5, since one of those subscribers is me, since I test that the episodes release correctly on my own phone. So yeah thanks all 5 of you! To Infinity and Beyond! It’s Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, as well as the thrilling(?) conclusion to the first “season” of Triple Play!


Show-notes:


10:40 General Grievous was a Kaleesh.
15:00 Of course they sold toys of this.
17:12 Check out Trust Your Doctor and Zenith.
22:29 Infinity War

 


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Toy Story

Number 10 will shock you!

One day, when we have a big following, we can get clips of our podcast animated like all the big podcasts do. Then we can pay someone to animate clips from three consecutive episodes, which then would mean we would have our own animated trilogy. And then we could watch that trilogy for Triple Play, make an episode on them, and then that too could be animated. Where does it end?! It’s Toy Story, Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3.


Show-notes:


2:48 FROM THE VISIONARY MIND OF ANG LEE
13:00 Luxo Jr. and Tin Toy
17:47 Which do you think looks worse? Aladdin or Sonic?
25:25 it was Bud Luckey who suggested that Woody be a cowboy. Ash Brannon co-directed Toy Story 2.
31:07 Check out our Blake’s 7 podcast, Zenith.
31:19 I don’t think it’s the same clip, but this test animation clip probably has the same vibe.
1:15:47 Buzz Lightyear of Star Command intro
1:16:20 It was this game. Don’t know why I remembered it all as happening on skateboards.

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Iron Man: Armored Adventures

The age old conundrum.

Coming soon to your television screens: Trust Your Doctor: Animated Adventures. We’ve hired an obscure animation studio from Trenzalore, who specialize in 3-D hand drawn animation. We’ve reimagined ourselves as high school students just setting out on a podcasting adventure, which is weird, because that’s actually what happened. So it’s not really a reimagining. It’s Iron Man: Armored Adventures, which released on April 24, 2009.


Show-notes:


3:08 Bubbles is the blue one, Buttercup is the red one, Blossom is the green one.
3:40 It was Thundercats Roar. I guess I was so disgusted that I couldn’t even get the name right.
23:07 Snow White is 83 minutes. Alice in Wonderland is 75 minutes.
28:17 Check out Zenith, our Blake’s 7 podcast, if you want to hear us discuss material that’s way better than this.

Here’s all the stuff we mentioned in this episode:
Powerpuff Girls
Dexter’s Lab
Flinstones
Jetsons
Jackie Chan Adventures
90s Iron Man tv show
X-Men The Animated Series
Batman the Animated Series
Batman Beyond
The Batman
Teen Titans (Go (to The Movies))
Spirited Away
Machinima
RWBY
Red vs. Blue


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Iron Man

Well this is the biggest plot twist of our lifetime.

Last time we got stuck in a cave we were forced to start a podcast, and that’s how we got Zenith. Frankly we all know how that turned out. Pretty well actually. All the best things are made in caves at gunpoint. It’s Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and Iron Man 3. Unlike two months ago these movies are actually connected in a trilogy.


Show-notes:


4:53 Our Spider Man episode. I thought this was more recent.
6:00 Terry Rossio and Ted Elliot.
12:26 This Daredevil movie that came out in 2003. I thought this was more recent too.
13:12 Happy Hogan is played by Jon Favreau in a lot of these Marvel movies.
18:38 Quantum of Solace: 2008. Skyfall: 2012. Spectre: 2015.
30:46 Matthew Libatique is the director of photography for Iron Man 2.
38:08 Iron Man is by Black Sabbath.
51:20 Genndy Tartakovsky is a Russian-American animator who storyboarded Iron Man 2 and created Sym-bionic Titan, which was cancelled for merchandising reasons.
56:56 We also did an episode on The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly (and the other Dollars movies) a few years ago.

Sources and other stuff:
The Making of Iron Man 2 documentary
Robert Downey Jr.’s improvisation in Iron Man 3
On how Iron Man 3 was supposed to have a female villain
Casting Robert Downey Jr.
A few ideas behind Iron Man 1 before anyone really knew what the movie would be about
RDJ getting into the role of Tony Stark
A look back at Iron Man
The Goals Marvel Had When Making Iron Man
More on RDJ’s improvisation
Iron Man 1 production timeline
Some Iron Man 2 info
Jon Favreau getting pissed about Iron Man 2 lol
Even more Iron Man 2 stuff
More about the female villain that could have been in Iron Man 3


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Best Worst Movie

And introducing, the one, the only, TROOOLLLLLLL 2!

Unsurprisingly there was very little expanded universe, well, “stuff” to do for the Troll “trilogy.” Perhaps that’s because Troll isn’t even really a trilogy, and not only that these movies flopped so badly when they came out pretty much every studio within a million years didn’t want to touch it with a twenty foot bottle of Nilbog Milk. It’s Best Worst Movie, written and directed by Michael Stephenson and premiered on March 14, 2009.


Show-notes:


0:29 South by Southwest 2019 starts on March 8.
1:58 MST3K is a show about watching stuff. Kind of like this, but with more little-known movies that are usually considered poorly made. One of the most notoriously bad movies they ever covered was Manos: The Hands of Fate.
2:49 Birdemic and The Room are two other contenders for the worst movie of all time. I haven’t watched either but I doubt they’re worse than Troll 2.
5:41 Troll “trilogy” episode here.
11:20 Still can’t find the full script of the Troll 2 fan sequel, but it’s called Troll 3 Monstrous Beings if you want to try and find it yourself.
11:28 Trust Your Doctor is our Doctor Who podcast.
22:24 Her name was Deborah Reed. Apparently she has an interview in the dvd extras. Here’s the Troll 2 section of her blog. She’s also talked about Troll 2 in various interviews.
24:52 Chuck is a movie about Chuck Wepner, the guy who inspired Rocky.


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Episode 54: The End

And now… the time is near…

Everything we’ve ever done, everything we’ve ever recorded, it all leads up to this. To this singular podcast episode, this 2 hour epic. We’ve compiled over a dozen of our fan submissions for our fantasy Blake’s 7 episode, and have now presented them all here, for the first time. We hope you enjoy this roaring, exciting, nail biting finale to Zenith, and we’d like to extend a very happy thank you to everybody who ever listened in!


Show-notes:


1:29 Trust Your Doctor is our other podcast. We’ve been watching Doctor Who for 5 years now.
2:37 Links to all the other Blake’s 7 podcasts that we currently know of: Shake and Blake, Down and Safe, Space Fall, Classically Awful, Blake’s 7 in Character, Adventures with the Wife and Blake (looks like the site’s down right now), Watching Blake’s 7, Making Blake’s 7, Blake’s 7 Online. Might as well throw a couple more in for the heck of it: The Blake’s 7 Diaries, Blake every Seven Days, The Way Back 7 (B7-themed blog).
6:05 Afterlife by Tony Attwood
14:07 Triple Play is our other other podcast where we discuss movie trilogies.
36:55 @farshnuke: My Blakes 7 dream would be Laurence Fishburne as Blake, Madds Mikkleson as Avon, Hugh Dancy as Villa, Karen Gillian as Cally, Caroline Dhavernas as Jenna, Gillian Anderson as Servalan and Paul Bettany as Zen/Orac. Basically Hannibal in space with Amy Pond. I need it
38:58 David: As to a fantasy reimaging of Blake’s 7 that is a tough one.
I think I would have the following actors for these roles:
Sevalan would be played by Morena Baccarin who played Anna in the 2009 version of V. She would be perfect as a villain.
Avon played by Philip Glenister. He played Gene Hunt in Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes. Though he may be a bit too old for the role now.
Vila would be played by Martin Freeman who played Arthur Dent in the movie version of the Hitch-Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.
Cally played by Keeley Hawes from the series Ashes to Ashes.
I can’t think of who I would want to play Blake, Jenna, Gan and Travis though.
Gan played by Adrian Rawlins
Blake played by Benedict Cumberbatch
Will have to think about who I would want the other roles played by.
40:30 Ashes to Ashes is a followup to Life on Mars.
41:47 If you somehow didn’t already know, Sherlock, The Imitation Game, Doctor Strange, and Frankenstein are shows/movies/plays that Benedict Cumberbatch is in.
42:46 @50dw50: Fantasy Blake’s 7- a one off special to mark the anniversary of the show following a brave group of Federation offers who have to deal with the horrific aftermath of the atrocities committed by an almost mythical terrorist group led by Blake…
45:35 @redtwitdown: I’m working on a longer one, but here’s a simple one to fit in a tweet: Orac is the only surviving crew member. He gets his own spin-off series. Like the K9 one, but.. Darker.
47:21 St. Clinton’s recording can be found here.
55:25 Hal Morrison: Blake’s 7: a twelve episode miniseries by show runner Ronald D. Moore for STARZ.
Cast:
Arthur Darvill as Blake
Ruth Wilson as Avon
Michelle Ryan as Jenna
Gemma Arterton as Cally
Samuel Anderson as Vila
Aaron Douglas as Gan
Tricia Helfer as Servalan
Katee Sackhoff as Travis
Visual Effects Supervisor – Doug Drexler
57:09 Broadchurch is another show that Arthur Darvill is in. Josette Simon also has a role in it.
59:20 Argy’s recording can be found here.
1:11:08 Jurgen’s story can be found here.
1:25:05 @iomamo: A continuation of the series, definitely not a reboot. The name Blake’s 7 still applies because this new group is following the lead of/doing it in tribute to the original gang and Blake himself. Either way, the myth is more important than the man.
And/or something like Robin of Sherwood where a person is appointed the New Blake. Or perhaps this new revolutionary has the arrogance to name themselves Blake? I dunno. Anything but a reboot anyway.
1:28:16 @tech_paula: I always had the idea that after the end of “Blake” when only Avon was left, Servalan would step out. Avon and her would smile and walk off together. And that Avon had been working as a “double agent” all the time. Then he would continue to support the rebels whilst being federat
1:30:25 Sgt. Draino:

Hey guys,
So, if I had MAXIMUM POWER, what might I do in terms of conjuring another season of Blakes 7 into existence?
EXTERIOR. SPACE. EARLY INTO SERIES C (aka Season 3). NOT LONG AFTER “POWERPLAY.”
The Liberator is being pursued by a massive fleet of pursuit ships closing in from all sides. The only route of escape is to travel through a region of space that Zen has on record as being too dangerous. They override him, and fly through anyway. They pass through an anomaly, and emerge in the clear, no pursuit ships on the scopes.
The crew lick their wounds, The Liberator repairs itself. Once full power is restored, Avon is determined to hit back at the Federation, to go on the offensive. He has Orac scan for the nearest Federation outpost. His plan is to attack and destroy it, in order to bait a Federation ship to investigate. Avon hypothesizes that The Liberator has no problem taking on one Federation ship at a time, and so that’s what they will do: Take on single ships, destroy them individually, hit-and-fade.
The Liberator arrives at the outpost, and attacks it, blasting it from orbit. Avon let’s them get off a distress signal, and then completely destroys them. The Liberator then lies in wait.
Eventually a Federation ship shows up. It is a configuration the crew has never seen before, but after scanning, Orac confirms its transponder identifies it as a Federation ship. It’s an unusual shape, with two elongated nacelles, and a disc-shaped section on the front. Hidden behind a moon, The Liberator monitors communications, as a Federation officer calling himself “Captain Picard” identifies his ship as the “Enterprise,” and tries to communicate with the outpost. The Liberator strikes from behind, moving much more quickly than the Federation ship, firing its neutron blasters. The ship appears to have some kind of rudimentary force wall, but the neutron blasters quickly penetrate it, punch straight through the ship, and ultimately destroy it before it can ever get off a shot.
The crew is delighted with the result. Avon theorizes that this new ship design must be something the Federation is trying to build their fleet numbers back up with, after the massive losses they took during the war with the Andromedans. They decide to press their advantage. They destroy several more outposts, using Orac to monitor fleet movements. Orac indicates the Federation’s computer network must have been severely compromised during the war, as Orac finds their systems much easier to penetrate and influence than previously.
Orac discovers that the Federation has amassed a fleet to hunt the Liberator, and the fleet is being personally led by Servalan, who is now calling herself, “Fleet Admiral Servalan.” Orac has found a “backdoor” into the enemy ships’ computer systems, and says it is able to control most aspects of the ships remotely. Avon and the crew decide to take this fleet on, with their new-found advantage. They face down the fleet. Admiral Servalan demands their surrender, and Orac responds by causing all of the Starfleet vessels to turn and collide with one another, causing death on a massive scale. The fleet is destroyed, and Admiral Servalan is taken captive. The Liberator then heads towards Earth, ready to strike at the very heart of the Federation.
Avon and the rest of the crew continue to have many more adventures attacking and destroying the Federation, showing those cruel tyrants no mercy. Specifically they prolly have about 10 more adventures, each one bloodier than the last. Eventually they encounter an extra super-duper prototype Federation starship commanded by Captain Travis, and Avon and Orac finally realize that they are in a parallel universe. They take The Liberator back through the anomaly to their home universe, leaving a huge swath of destruction behind them.
The End.

1:34:44 Baz:

Part One.
Fantasy Season E – Version a: 40yrs Later…
Fulfilling Avon’s last command before his death on Guada Prime and working from a hidden location, the supercomputer Orac has been manipulating computer systems all over the Federation over the years and has finally completed the construction of a new Liberator at a secret location. All it needs is a crew…
From this point there are several ways we could go in order to cry the new Liberator… I’m quite fond of the idea that Orac has selected a group he believes will be best suited to fight the Federation Orac hasn’t been quite perfect in his selection and we get conflicts between the crew similar to before.
Over the course of the season we would see the crew making their way to the Liberator, recovering Orac from Guada Prime and then taking the fight to a now, very powerful Federation (partly funded thanks to Servalan’s victory in Gold).
I have a synopsis of a Season E continuation, but i’ve misplaced my work. It had everyone surviving from GP (except Dayna, who was shot with a different weapon to everyone else). They were stunned and captured and had to escape and take the fight back to the Federation. Avon had Orac construct a new Liberator (similar to the 40 yr Later version) and we had a new crew member (can’t remember what I had now).

Part Two
Paul Darrow/Chris Boucher Fantasy Casting
Blake – John Wayne
Avon – Clint Eastwood
Jenna – Doris Day
Villa – Gary Cooper
Cally – Katherine Ross
Gan – Lorne Greene
Servalan – Jane Russell
Travis – Lee Van Cleef

Part Three
Reboot
I have a host of notes I’ve made over the years regarding what I would do with a reboot. Too much to go into at such short notice. One thing I did have was that Cally has 7 clones, one of which would be the agent who betrays Blake at the start (Dev Tarrant in the original). Lots more Administration intregue. Gan turns into what he should have been – a brutal killer with a limiter to stop it. Jenna more Han Solo like and Cally a kick ass combat machine.


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The Blake’s 7 title music was originally composed by Dudley Simpson.

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Troll

Not overwhelmed. Not underwhelmed. Just whelmed.

We made an extremely poor decision on what to watch this week. Extremely poor. The Holy Grail knight might tell us that we had chosen “poorly.” I’m actually running out of things to say to describe just how bad of an idea this was to even attempt at all, and yet we still decided to go for it. Because why not? It’s the worst movie of all time and quite possibly the least connected trilogy in existence: Troll, Troll 2, and Troll 3. Allegedly.


Show-notes:


1:22 Troll 3 came out in 1993 in the U.S. according to Wikipedia (and IMDB and some other sites), but apparently came out in Italy in either 1989 or 1990. Which means it possibly came out before Troll 2.
1:57 Here’s the Troll 1 making of video if you’re interested.
2:45 Cellar Dweller is another movie directed by John Carl Buechler (pronounced “beekler” – we got it wrong when we introduced him).
4:12 The Neverending Story 1 came out in 1984.
6:35 Princess Bride came out in 1987.
7:57 If any upcoming movie fits into this mid-80s fantasy mold it’s The Kid Who Would Be King. (Maybe? Not exactly, but it’s not like there’s anything closer.)
9:48 I don’t think this is the same Neverending Story “then and now” article that I linked to back then, but this one’s better.
11:34 Heaven’s Gate looks kind of interesting.
15:01 Wayne Knight played Dennis Nedry in Jurassic Park.
19:42 IMDB lists the 1990 release date of Troll 2 without “video premier” and then lists a 1992 with “video premiere.” So the 1990 date is probably theatrical. I was thinking of this article, which says that “Best Worst Movie,” the documentary about Troll 2, was direct to video.
23:30 We confused Michael Stephenson, who plays the kid, with Jason Wright, who plays the boyfriend. The interview we confused with the previous on is here.
29:52 Here’s the blog post in question.
31:34 Troll 3 was direct to video in Italy according to IMDB.
34:25 Quest for the Mighty Sword is the other Troll 3.

Other stuff:
Fast Rewind’s Troll 1 behind the scenes info.


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