Inevitable

We’re not doing this for you.

We’re not doing it for us.

We know not at what depths the currents that compelled us to discuss and “review” classic sci-fi tv and movies in a laid-back, slightly analytical, somewhat-humorous fashion run.

So what do we know?

It was all inevitable.

Childhood’s End 3 – The Children

If this had a title, it would be “The Illuminati-esque Drawings of a Four Year Old”

We have a tendency here at Decorative Vegetable towers to use the suffix “-esque” to describe things. We’ve done it on Trust Your Doctor (“PJ Hammond-esque”) and here on Inevitable (also “PJ Hammond-esque”), and now we do it once more. No, we didn’t use “PJ Hammond-esque” in this episode. It’s The Children, written by Matthew Graham and aired on December 16, 2015.


Show-notes:
10:28: We paid attention to these episodes.
14:07: Gonna be a bit of a lunatic and link the Harry Potter wiki page for the sign of the deathly hallows so you can see what I’m talking about. (Editor’s note: Literally what about this is being a lunatic?)
41:30: I was googling whether or not you’re supposed to dilute Koolaid and I kept finding people who have some sort of Koolaid lab for kids to understand concentrations and dilution. Neat? (Editor’s note: Yeah I mean I don’t know either. I just made this up on the spot. Sounds right though.)
53:30: don’t worry, the other guys name is Danny Glover.
1:01:32: This has to be at least the fifth time I’ve linked this Titanic meme for the podcast.
1:03:32: Sense*
1:05:12: We watched A Fistful of Dollars and the rest of the Dollars Trilogy on our movie trilogy podcast Triple Play: A Movie Trilogy Podcast.
1:05:40: I tried to find a clip of Cheyenne’s death in the movie but I could not. Oh well.
1:06:47: Here’s the poster for Once Upon a Time in the West.
1:15:00: What the hell is a microgenre and why do we call vaporwave a microgenre?


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Childhood’s End 2 – The Deceivers

Warning: this episode is filled with deceit

I don’t know what exactly we’re deceiving you about but I know it’s somewhere in this episode. If you end up figuring out what it is, please let me know. Our email address is at the end of the episode, so  just listen until then and you can get it for yourself. It’s The Deceivers, written by Matthew Graham and aired on December 15, 2015.


Show-notes:
2:00: To my (Dylan, the guy who edits these episodes but not the show-notes) surprise, Kiyan sounds the same as always on the recording though I will admit he did not sound the same on the Skype call. (Editor’s note: Yeah I sound almost exactly the same.)
3:26: Good news, dear listener, I have a link to this article (“A New Beginning for Childhood’s End”) right here.
10:20:: This link to goodreads has the version of the book we’re both talking about here.
18:50: I don’t even want to remember Rubber, so just watch this trailer for Rubber and call it a day. (And google if you want to know more I guess.)
26:47: We actually were talking about this on recording. I think the internet has completely destroyed my short-term memory by this point.
47:50: I actually tried to look for this sound effect online but my google-fu failed and I couldn’t find a good rip of it anywhere.
1:02:21: Were you killed? Sadly yes… but I lived!
1:09:17: Takes 2 seconds to look up . I’m holding this against them.
1:11:14: The Brave Little Toaster is a movie about a brave… little… toaster.
1:19:01: Gonna start my new coffee table book “Tractors that look like trampolines” with the poster for this TV show.
1:21:39: reject humanity, return to monke.
1:27:09: Because we didn’t want to do 7 people’s television and movie history in one episode… Kiyan.
1:32:37: Here I’ll link Evolve for you.
1:34:11: He didn’t just “work with Nine Inch Nails on a music video” he was a contributor in varying capacities (including programmer, remixer and performer on synthesizer and theremin) on half a dozen NIN albums and songs.


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Childhood’s End 1 – The Overlords

I think we should rename ourselves to Podcasting Overlords.

Isn’t it weird how the word “lord” is used in a lot of sci-fi? Like Time Lords… Overlords… Lords of Time…. lords… Look this was a way better point when I started this sentence than when I finished it. So you’re just going to have to pretend to agree with me. It’s The Overlords, written by Matthew Graham and aired on December 14, 2015.


Show-notes:
1:10: Get your own copy of the book here, at Barnes and Noble. For once I decided not to link amazon. (Editor’s note: Get it at a local bookstore.)
1:48: Xenogears is an rpg… or something. It’s also the subject matter of the best text-based let’s play ever made. By the way, the English translation for the game (impressively completed by translator Richard Honeywood) changes “Karellen” to “Krelian.” Maybe Honeywood didn’t get the reference? Could just be some sort of error as the English script also misrepresents the character name “Myyah” as “Miang.”
3:14: I’ve actually struggled to find an actual text quote of Kurt Vonnegut saying this, but to be fair I’ve struggled to find Vonnegut saying anything about Arthur C. Clarke even though they were well acquainted.
12:16: Arthur C. Clarke refers to “President Bush [senior]” in his introduction. Interestingly he also refers to the TV show V, which will get mentioned later in this podcast, in the same introduction as being a perfectly acceptable (to him) adaptation of Childhood’s End.
18:44: Check out our first episode on the Prisoner (2009).
21:25: A lot of my information on the behind the scenes “creation of” Childhood’s End is coming from this article here.
22:40: And the second article I’m referring to is this Rolling Stone article, which has much of the same information.
26:40: We have regretfully watched The Da Vinci Code and its sequels for our (also regretful) movie trilogy podcast Triple Play: A Movie Trilogy Podcast.
27:22: If you go and listen to our episodes on The Prisoner (2009) you can hear some of this confusion, especially towards the end of the season.
28:00 We have equally regretfully covered the Space Pirates (Doctor Who) on our Doctor Who Podcast, Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast. Multiple times.
31:30: Fully synthetic plastic was actually invented as early as 1907.
40:25: Torchwood’s Children of Earth. Good times. Not regretful at all. We watched it on Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast, our Doctor Who podcast. Check out the first episode of it if it strikes your fancy.
49:35: Dylan said this because this was a reference to our Eve of the Daleks episode on Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast, our Doctor Who podcast.
58:30: Daisy.
1:23:30: I don’t know how I forgot this, but the quote is from The Last Jedi, it’s Yoda talking to Luke.
1:25:33: Her name is Jennifer Anne.
1:44:44: We have also regretfully watched Alien 3 on Triple Play: A Movie Trilogy Podcast, our movie trilogy podcast.


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Childhood’s End 0 – Intro

Apple still doesn’t like “episode 0.”

This season we’re doing Childhood’s End, the classic SyFy tv show. You know, from 2015? The classic! It’s basically already immortalized in the science-fiction canon. I mean, the book certainly is, but probably not the TV show. Yet. Well anyway we also announce that we’re doing UFO as soon as we finish this season of Childhood’s End.


Show-notes:
You need show-notes for this?


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Firefly 15 – Serenity (Movie)

And in the end….

The people you kill are equal to the people you save. Or something like that. That’s how the song goes right? Because we’re at the end of another show and I really need to make hip topical references so the kids think I’m cool and stuff. Which means referencing hip cool trendy current music. It’s Serenity (2005), written by Joss Whedon and released on August 22, 2005.


Show-notes:
3:06: This is not the video that Kiyan is referring to, but it’s related. Apparently in 2012 they did a “ten year anniversary” panel at comic con, and someone uploaded the full panel to YouTube.
7:34: Whedonesque was actually taken down this year (2021), so I’m going to link to the wikipedia page on Whedonesque rather than directly to the site.
14:04: I (Dylan) actually found the previous panel mentioned in 3:15 by looking for the panel Kiyan was talking about, so it would probably have been somewhat fruitless to try find the BTS features on YouTube.
14:36: Pretty sure we were saying here that Dailymotion has been the unsung hero of our Doctor Who podcast, Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast. And if not, we should have been.
15:16: Don’t worry, here’s a link to Veoh for you.
17:14: His name was Monty.
22:41: I (Dylan) regret not bringing up Jubal Early asking what River could do and Simon responding (paraphrased)”I just found out she’s psychic idk what she can do”.
51:20: IT’S A TRAP.
1:03:20: It’s quite rare that a high school has its own Wikipedia page (Editor’s note: Nah), but Diamond Ranch High School does.
1:18:01: The Rime of the Ancient Mariner by the one and only STC.
1:34:17: Here’s a bit on The Killer Angels in relation to Firefly.
1:51:22: Don’t worry I can link you straight to the “Cultural Impact” section of the Serenity page.
1:57:53: Here’s a link to information on Childhood’s End. We didn’t mention this on the episode, but we decided after recording that we’re also going to reread the book and talk about it as it comes up during the show, so if you’d like to do that before we start, perhaps find a copy of the book yourself.
1:58:27: What I’m referring to here is, of course, our Blake’s 7 podcast, Zenith: A Blake’s 7 Podcast.


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Firefly 14 – Objects in Space

Quote of the week: “The whole podcast is a sham held together by dreams.”

We’re almost at the end of Season 7 of Inevitable. Inevitable has already outlasted all of the shows we’ve watched on this show. Including Lexx. At least in terms of number of seasons, so take that, Lexx. It’s Objects in Space, written by Joss Whedon and aired on December 13, 2002


Show-notes:
0:42: This is our Abbey Road, I guess.
1:03: Lol no it won’t. (Editor’s note: ?)
3:24: Our episode on The Message did (confirmed) go out two weeks ago.
3:50: Speaking of Blake’s 7, check out our Blake’s 7 podcast, Zenith: A Blake’s 7 Podcast.
11:29: Rick and Morty did this in the episode Morty’s Mind Blowers, but it was also done earlier on the show Community, in Paradigms of Human Memory.
1:56: First instance of the word BAMF since about 2010 probably.
16:27: This is pretty close to what happens in Serenity (the movie) actually.
33:20: Jasper Fforde actually has an “upgrade” page for every book he’s published (including Shades of Grey)
51:20: You can’t make this sh*t up.
59:23: Cowboy Bebop was recently canceled by Netflix… wait, wrong Cowboy Bebop. (Editor’s note: No, that was the right one.)
1:04:50 Avon’s former lover was named Anna Grant.
1:12:59: We talked about the “sci-fi-ness” of The Prisoner on our Arrival episode.


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Firefly 13 – Heart of Gold

I don’t have a heart of gold, I have a heart of silver.

What is a heart of silver, you ask? Well I’m glad you’re curious because frankly I am too. What the hell does it mean to have a heart of silver? I just kind of made it up on the spot to try and be witty for the podcast, but I don’t think it’s working. In fact I’m literally making it worse the longer I keep talking so I’m going to stop now. It’s Heart of Gold, written by Brett Matthews and aired on August 19, 2003.


Show-notes:
3:52: Somehow I googled “I’m down Seinfeld” and found out it was apparently in a bunch of episodes, so here’s a random clip of “Alright, I’m down” from a random episode.
6:07: Did Brett Matthews do more than just get Joss Whedon coffee? Decide for yourself.
6:53: Here’s the interview with Bret Matthews. He doesn’t say anything about being Whedon’s assistant.
7:28: We talked about Gold over on Zenith: A Blake’s 7 Podcast, our Blake’s 7 podcast.
8:32: How long do you think it’ll be until our show-notes are just 50 notes referring to other episodes of our own podcast? Well anyway, we watched Once Upon a Time in the West on Triple Play: A Movie Trilogy Podcast, our movie trilogy podcast. Here’s the first scene of Once Upon a Time in the West by the way. Pretty good scene. Shoutout to whoever uploaded it to Vimeo.
10:15: Here’s the full soundtrack to Once Upon a Time in the West if you have one hour, five minutes, and six second to kill.
15:07: Ever closer to the singularity, check out Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast, our Doctor Who podcast.
18:52: A remarkably prescient slip given what happens “Next Week on Firefly.” (Hint: it’s a deleted scene involving incest.)
24:21: Bolo ties are actually very fashionable, ok? (Editor’s note: nah.)
25:48: Yes, yes I do.
41:33: 9. Hide your kids, hide your wife is nine years old.
47:37: Not sure wtf I was even talking about here because she doesn’t even die in the episode. Lmao.
58:29: Interestingly, this is the Firefly episode I’ve gutted the most audio out of for Inevitable. A solid 10-11 minutes.
59:53: I don’t even know where to start looking deciding what exactly I’ll link for this so I’ll let Wikipedia tell you all about Milton.
1:14:13: Jesus Christ, it’s Jason Bourne.
1:21:00: Here you go, go and learn about one of the weirdest planes still in service: the V-22.
1:22:21: Hugh Laurie also filmed this audition tape in a bathroom in a hotel in Africa, if I recall correctly.


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Firefly 12 – The Message

I’m sending out an SOS.

I hope that someone gets my message in a bottle. Yeah I just quoted a Police song in the podcast description. What are you gonna do about it? That’s right, nothing cuz the version of me that wrote this is long moved past this joke by the time you read this. It’s The Message, written by Joss Whedon and Tim Minear and aired on July 15, 2003.


Show-notes:

2:01: Check out Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast, our Doctor Who podcast.
4:21: For everybody else who doesn’t know who Jerry Bruckheimer is, Wikipedia is here to help.
7:01: Damn…
7:22: As I’m about to discover, Iron Man is actually a Black Sabbath song, not an AC/DC song.
8:52: DOCTOR WHOOOO HEY. Doctor Who.
9:30: Movements in Film has more information on the Kuleshov effect if you’re curious. And why wouldn’t you be?
20:07: There are Firefly Novels being published in 2021, and one of them prominently features Jayne’s knit cap.
21:20: Here’s the Cowboy Bebop wiki page on the episode Kiyan is talking about.
22:35: Cowboy Bebop actually takes place in 2071, so I was 1 year off. Sue me.
23:52: Much Ado About Nothing, 2012.
25:00: Joss Whedon’s Much Ado About Nothing Isn’t Much of Anything at All. Enjoy this Wired article you freaks.
31:30: I really did google it, and the second result that came up is this Discover article on removing someone’s amygdala.
46:42: The reference is to Robocop. I don’t know why I keep making Robocop references.
51:24: I watched an ok-ish movie about this years ago called Buried.
1:06:15: I believe this is the page that Kiyan is looking at for this character age information. (Editor’s note: yep)
1:13:35: A kind piratey soul uploaded the video of the Toy Story 2 bloopers to YouTube.


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Firefly 11 – Trash

Something something wish dot com tactical jacket.

Look I’ll give it to you straight doc, I don’t know what to write here. I could make a bunch of jokes about trash but Kiyan made most of them in the episode. Ok so did I, I made a bunch of those jokes too. So it seems kind of overplayed now, I don’t want to beat the dead horse, you know? This nonsense late night rambling will have to do for you. It’s Trash, written by Ben Edlund and Jose Molina and aired on June 28, 2003.


Show-notes:
0:52: Wow my accent really came out here for some reason.
1:36: Here’s the same article I linked a few weeks ago indicating that Firefly was rerun.
6:01: Some hero uploaded the opening scene of Breaking Bad to YouTube so we can confirm this for you.
7:10: fornoob dot com has some more information on Mal’s tattoo. Apparently Nathan Fillion got it when he was young and now regrets it. Lmao sucks.
12:41: Check out Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast, our Doctor Who podcast.
15:40: Check out Zenith: A Blake’s 7 Podcast, our Blake’s 7 podcast.
25:50: Ron Glass actually died in 2016. Damn.
33:44: Russell Madden comes through with the transcript of the episode.
43:34: Why am I the one always linking random memes in the show-notes. It’s apparently actually a monkey puppet.
54:24: Here’s our episode on Blake’s 7’s Breakdown on our Blake’s 7 podcast Zenith: A Blake’s 7 Podcast.


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Firefly 10 – War Stories

If I could have titled this episode, it would have been titled “The Absolution of Jayne Cobb” (Editor’s note: I like “Toiling Down Memory Lane” better.)

Once upon a time I fought in a war. I mean, not really. I couldn’t even comprehend what it would be like to fight in a war. I’m actually a vehement pacifist. That last statement is true, by the way, I didn’t make it up for this sort of pseudo-story I’m telling in the episode description. It’s War Stories, written by Cheryl Cain and aired on December 6, 2002


Show-notes:
1:16: I’d actually highly recommend checking out All That Jazz, it’s great.
12:28: It was me James, the author of All Your Pain.
12:55: I jerked you off at superspeed!
23:25: You can go back and find that discussion in our episode on Serenity.
26:15: Yeah, they were ghillie suits.
31:36: Ok, fine, you’ve twisted my arm. I’ll link to How The Grinch Stole Christmas. (Editor’s note: why? Also check out Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast, our Doctor Who Podcast, to hear us talk about Doctor Who.)
33:53: Christianity.com says that “masturbation is the result of sin”, not that masturbation is a sin itself. The guy I was talking about here was Onan. He kinda screwed in this whole debate honestly. For a potentially more “neutral” view on the topic, you can check wikipedia’s Religious Views on Masturbation.
37:44: GORE WARNING. Here’s the paper with surgical pictures of a reattached ear.
38:55: Here, go ahead, I know you wanted the article about reattaching someone’s genitals.
39:37: See show-note 37:44.
40:36: Couldn’t really find anything outright saying literati is a derogatory term, but considering what literati means I can definitely see it being used that way.
45:01: Fun fact, The Power and the Glory was apparently first published in the US under a different name.
46:20: For some reason the only video I could find of the ending to Bourne Identity included the entire credits. Also, check out our Bourne episode over on Triple Play: A Movie Trilogy Podcast, our movie trilogy podcast.
47:41: This is probably an overgeneralization, but oh well. Here’s Graham Greene’s bibliography by the way. Also the book we were talking about here takes place around/during the Cristero War, but there is a long history of religious suppression in Mexico.
52:46: A lot of Bond references this week. I’m referencing No Time to Die here, and I won’t link this scene or even try to find it because it’s still in theatres when this goes out and that’d probably be piracy.
1:04:09: Check out our first episode on Doctor Who: Flux here.
1:06:01: Check out how Firefly did in the ratings here on Wikipedia.
1:06:11: I regretfully link you to Lexx on Inevitable.
1:08:12: Here, no worries, future Dylan here to link you the TV Tropes page.
1:13:15: Flatland is also based on a book from 1884. How prescient. (Editor’s note: what?)
1:17:56: Dylan neglected to put the link that Steven provided here, but I’m guessing he was referring to this Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories commercial. The song is “Simple and Clean” by Utada Hikaru.
1:18:04: Check out the M4trix episode over on Delayed Replay.


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