2021

341: The Least Apocalyptic Apocalypse (The Gathering)

We are gathered here today to do a podcast.

Yes you heard that, we’re out here doing a podcast did you know that? We do it every week, you should subscribe! You can find us all over the internet it’s pretty great actually. Even on this very website, did you know that? It’s The Gathering, written by John Fay and aired on September 2, 2011.


Show-notes:
1:57: Avengers: Endgame surprised audiences everywhere by having a 5 year time skip, implying that for 5 years Earth’s mightiest heroes just kind of  lay there and took it.
6:25: I could really go for some Jubilee Pizza right about now. I haven’t had store bought pizza in ages.
12:42: I only found 49 fics with both Esther and Jack in them . It seems 14 of them pair them up romantically. I must commend this fic in particular for 1) the weirdly inspired Lois Habiba/Esther Drummond ship and 2) being 3 times the length of the longest thing I’ve ever written. In other news Esther/Rex seems to be a popular pairing, and also I hate how much time I spent on this.
13:58: Just go read Frankenstein so you can understand all of Kiyan’s references.
15:23: I was gonna make a joke about cosmology vs cosmetology, but people take this way too seriously apparently and write whole articles about the two.
27:55: Check out Inevitable: A Classic Sci-Fi Podcast if you want to listen to us do what we’re doing here but for other shows. Like The Prisoner. Or The Prisoner (2009).
36:38: Harry Bosco is not a real process, and yes the first result on google is the Tardis wiki page for Harry Bosco.
37:44: People get into arguments over which translation is the best, for some reason. This is actually a bigger problem for the Bible more than anything.
38:30: I couldn’t find the exact quote by Murakami, but I did find this fascinating New Yorker Article about his works and the difference between Japanese and English translations of Japanese works.
45:02: The real antipode of Shangai is Los Charrúas. You can see the top ten closest cities/towns to the exact antipode here. (Editor’s note: They talk about this in the next episode.)
46:00: Ф
51:33: Winnie the Pooh ranks among the most profitable media franchises ever.
51:20: Yes, the soviet Winnie the Pooh movies really do exist, this wasn’t a joke.
52:45: Here’s that article on how much money Winnie the Pooh generates.
53:34: Here’s a list of highest grossing franchises where Kiyan is getting his numbers from.
53:48: Pokemon Jet.
54:58: Industry standard for a physics PhD is only 6 figures though.
57:38: Ego the Living Planet is actually in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, if you can believe it.
59:50: M’tower *tips hat*
1:00:09: Yeah the Eiffel Tower was never meant to be permanent, sorry to disappoint folks.
1:00:50: Smithsonian has a brief history of the Ferris Wheel and its relation to the Eiffel Tower.
1:08:23: Tardis wiki to the rescue! Knibbs!
1:09:47: Check out our movie trilogy podcast, Triple Play: A Movie Trilogy Podcast, if you want to listen to us talk about timeless classic cinematic masterpieces like Beverly Hills Chihuahua (which the episode for isn’t out yet, but we also watch other timeless classics like Troll 2).


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The Prisoner (2009) 5 – Schizoid

Schizoid is such a funny word.

Schizoid is a really fun word too actually. You know it would be fun if I had a schizoid, they could edit the podcast and do all the podcast stuff and I could just sleep instead. Not like I’m forgoing sleep to get these podcasts done, no siree, I’m completely healthy. I promise, I’m getting a full 8 hours every night. It’s Schizoid, written by Bill Gallagher and released on November 17, 2009.


Show-notes:
0:40: None of these bits made it into the final episode because I recorded them before starting the episode.
11:36: The study I am referring to was published in Nature Neuroscience, March 2015: “Retrieval induced adaptive forgetting of competing memories via cortical pattern suppresion”. If you do not have access to Nature Neuroscience, this Bang! Article sums up the core result, i.e. that trying to remember things makes it easier to forget them.
13:00: Here’s our episode on the original Prisoner’s Schizoid Man if you want to listen to that for some reason.
35:37: As far as I’m concerned Stanford is a trustworthy source and they tell me that you can’t dream up a new face. You just generally reuse ones you’ve seen elsewhere before.
41:20: Philip K. Dick basically only ever wrote weird things about how reality is a lie and the only truth in the world is the truth you can’t understand, or something like that. I dunno man I’m a physicist not an englishicist.
41:26: Ubik is a book whose actual physical existence distorts space-time. This is not a joke, please, the copy on my shelf is annihilating my entire bedroom, send physicists.
44:24: We talked about Patrick McGoohan’s misogyny at length during our original run of The Prisoner, which you can find in the Inevitable category on our site.
52:10: Some of the blogs I’m referencing are linked down below.
53:47: You can listen to our coverage of Children of the Stones on Season 2 of Inevitable and you can listen to our coverage of Star Cops on Season 1 of Inevitable.
54:48: Lexx is apparently really weird.
1:00:36: Our coverage and one and a half hour long head scratch over Fall Out.

Some other blogs that talk about The Prisoner (2009) – Schizoid:
Den of Geek
Pop Apostle
The TV Obsessed


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340: The Biggest Troll in Torchwood History (The End of the Road)

You know, like a troll who lives under a bridge?

Doctor Who and Torchwood have had their share of trolls in our time, but this week just takes the cake. How can we sit here and listen to this absolute nonsense from someone so untrustworthy? And yet for some reason this is the job we decided to do, and this is the task we set before us. How disappointing. It’s The End of the Road, written by Ryan Scott and Jane Espensen and aired on August 26, 2011.


Show-notes:
4:06: It’s just a prank, bro.
7:05: Here’s a site that looks like it was made in the late 90’s that has a lot of detail on the burning of “Atlanta” for Gone With the Wind.
8:20: A birthmark in your eye has an official name, actually, it’s called a “nevus.”
8:46: The Latin name of the immortal jellyfish is Turritopsis Dorhnii (as you’ll find out in a minute in the episode) and the Wikipedia page contains basically everything we know about them (not much).
9:20: Polyps are one of the developmental stages of jellyfish and some other creatures. The other stage is the medusa stage. Some members of the cnidaria phylum have both polyp and medusa stages and others only have one.
14:23: Ben Shapiro is a racist.
18:05: Kiyan is reading the Wikipedia page for electrocardiography here but I’m going to link a more expert source in mayo clinic’s ekg page.
27:15: According to our own list(s) of Doctor Who deaths, Kal was the one who died in An Unearthly Child.
27:57: I looked for five seconds and all I found on a blood covered Tickle-Me-Elmo was this 45 minute video. (Editor’s note: this isn’t what I was referencing.)
32:48: The US government notably never gets anything done in a reasonable amount of time, taking 8-10 months to even recognize that COVID was a problem. It’s so bad that the New York Times was even commenting on it… in 1979.
36:10: Fine… I’ll do it myself. (It was Age of Ultron)
47:41: This quote is not only from Watchmen, it’s basically the first scene in the movie.
50:35: It is required to vote in Australia, but as noted they make it really really easy. Voter turnout in the US is historically really, really bad.
51:57: Yes, Georgia really did restrict voting rights after the Democrats won both two senate seats and the presidential race there in 2020.
52:45: Here’s that gerrymandering puzzle if you want to learn how busted the US voting system is. Try to get to level 6. Here’s an article from about a year and a half ago about the worst examples of gerrymandering in the U.S.


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The Prisoner (2009) 4 – Darling

Oh my darling, oh my darling, oh my darling…

… Number 6. Number 6 was lost forever, oh my darling number 6. That’s how it goes right? That’s the version I remember being taught in school by 334, he was the best teacher we ever had. Some say that 571 was better, but I disagree, 334 is always going to be my favourite. It’s Darling, written by Bill Gallagher and released on November 16, 2009.


Show-notes:
3:11: You can join us at the beginning of our Children of the Stones journey here if you haven’t listened to it.
8:25: I was unable to find a picture of the prisoner DVD menu, but this is the key art Kiyan referred to for the first disk menu, and this is the shrouded in darkness image I referred to for disk 2.
23:05: Ebay has forums and the forums are rife with discussions on spending too much money on weird things on Ebay.
29:47: Warning: Both of the following links are potentially graphic. But pigs do in fact know that they’re being led to slaughter, however they’re not the only animal, as cows seem to understand as well.
35:46: Jiggery-Pokery
36:20: Scientific-American has an interesting article advancing the theory that humans have evolved a chemical and biological process that detects and prevents sex with close kin. For those who are averse to Scientific America, the name of the mechanism is the Westermarck Effect.
45:41: I had the date utterly wrong, the infamous “family eats oranges with peel and all” Reddit Post was made on February 5, 2021.
54:01: The episode I was talking about here was Many Happy Returns, which we covered with Sgt. Draino.
1:04:41: Here’s a picture of a trashcan with a step. You’re welcome.

Some other blogs that talk about The Prisoner (2009) – Darling:
Den of Geek
Pop Apostle
Dan Owen


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339: Which of the Hidden 8th Sins Are We Talking About? (Immortal Sins)

Love. Compassion. Kindness. There are plenty of hidden 8th sins to choose from, and that’s why, now more than ever, you need to specify. Speaking of things that are happening now more than ever, we’re now more than ever talking about Torchwood Miracle Day episode 7. We haven’t talked about it before, and sadly we probably never will again. Until we really run out of content and have to rewatch Torchwood or something. It’s Immortal Sins, written by Jane Espensen and aired on August 19, 2011.


Show-notes:
1:49: Wikipedia lists only the episodes of The Walking Dead that have already aired (all 150 of them as of writing) whereas IMDB lists all episodes that have been commissioned and filmed.
5:32: This is the Telltale Walking Dead we were referring to here.
6:10: Polygon has an incredibly interesting deep dive into the problems Telltale Games faced that caused their downfall, including their long-standing refusal to update their engine. Also, the original Telltale is defunct now, but there’s a new Telltale in town.
8:37: For those interested in the history of the Italian mafia in New York, The Five Families is where you want to start.
9:14: Generally I wouldn’t link a Quora page, but Wikipedia has such a non-existent explanation for why “Mick” is a derogatory term for a person of Irish descent that in this case I will.
12:57: That Jordan Peele gif.
20:12: If you had told me when we started this podcast that I would be linking to the Wedding Crashers page on Wikipedia I would not believe you.
23:16: The Rams are LA and the Raiders are Vegas now, but they used to be located in Oakland California. The Bears are in Chicago. So are the Bulls, but they’re basketball.
41:08: Train A leaves a station in Chicago heading towards LA at 30 mph at Noon. Train B leaves LA at 3PM, heading towards Chicago traveling at 60 mph. The question is, at which point during this question did you realize that America’s rail system is pitiful compared to basically every other wealthy country in the world?
42:15: It’s a dot sight.
46:15: Two things, first off, who knew there was a sci-fi stack exchange? And secondly, why do they have an entire thread just on the question of “Who gave the shop-keeper Clara’s number?”
47:21: Here’s that Today I Found Out page about the phrase “to coin a phrase” that seems like it was clearly made just for this purpose.
48:01: You should rather check out phrases.uk for information on the phrase “to coin a phrase.”
1:01:56: It’s been 84 years.
1:03:00: NaNoWriMo stands for National Novel Writing Month and is just a dumb thing people with too much or too little time on their hands do when they’d rather write than tend to their other responsibilities.
1:04:04: As promised here’s the link to that dialect quiz. Actually this one is really fancy and maps out all of your dialect influences across the United States.


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The Prisoner (2009) 3 – Anvil

Anvils are great but without hammers what would you even use them for?

You ever realize how close “Anvil” is to “Arrival”? I only noticed now because I almost misspelled Anvil like three times while writing this description. In fact this sentence was the fourth, can you believe it? I can’t. But at least I know how to spell now. It’s Anvil, written by Bill Gallagher and released on November 16, 2009.


Show-notes:
3:11: The iconic shot of Number 2 looking at the phone in question.
4:35: Interestingly if you google “Harry and Rupert Gregson-Williams” the first result is Rupert Gregson-Williams. At least it was for me anyway. Thanks Google.
6:38: This is the best version of the Prisoner 2009 opening sequence, so you can hear the title theme for yourself.
16:00: Have this article debating whether school uniforms are good or bad just because I thought it would be funny to put in this show-note.
16:35: I looked up the Chimes of Big Ben transcript here. I guess the line is “What has been created is an international community, a blueprint for world order.”
19:35: Honestly don’t know what happened here, can’t tell if Kiyan actually doubled his voice or if the recording skipped. Could be both.
20:45: Young man, there’s no need to feel down. Even though I know the world is falling apart you can pick yourself off the ground. Wait hang on that’s not right.
23:47: In My Mind… In MY MIND… you’re smart.
25:20: As promised, here’s the link to that behind the scenes video. Never say your old pal Dylan didn’t do anything for you.
40:59: Here are the lyrics to Heroes and Villains for you to analyze along with at home! Here’s the livejournal post on the whole Beach Boys connection again.
43:15: Nick Kent writes about Brian Wilson’s attempts to replicate auditory hallucinations in his book: The Dark Stuff: Selected Writings on Rock Music.
44:07: Pop Apostle has a picture of Pet Sounds on Michael’s table in his New York apartment.
47:51: According to Wikipedia, the length of Heroes and Villains is 4:53 on Brian Wilson Presents Smile and 3:37 on Smiley Smile. I was unable to verify which version was used in this episode.
59:48: Snopes pretty vehemently denies that Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds is about LSD and they ahve some powerful sources so I guess I’m inclined to believe them.
1:04:20: I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered.

Some other blogs that talk about The Prisoner (2009) – Anvil:
Cathode Ray Tube
The TV Obsessed
Under the Radar


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338: I’ll Try To Remember, But I Probably Won’t (The Middle Men)

Is there a reason why after doing the podcast for so long we have literally no short term memory?

You ever heard that song? You know the one. “something something stuck in the middle with you.” The only official way to watch The Middle Men is to have that song playing just on constant repeat while watching. That’s it. That’s the official way to watch this episode, you heard it from us first. It’s The Middle Men, written by  and aired on August 12, 2011.


Show-notes:
6:40: The Stargate Wiki mentions that Eric Steinberg is of Korean and “mixed European” descent with no source or citation.
11:20:Suicide is actually illegal in many countries around the world, but it does not seem like the punishment for attempting suicide is death. I cannot find concrete evidence that it ever was, actually.
12:54: I tried to find information on what jobs use a bell to end the work day and I couldn’t find anything! Have this part of the intro to The Flinstones about it instead.
17:18: This website has the most definitive guide to pronouncing Geraint, I’ve just decided right now.
21:21: The Pandemic has taken so much from us, not the least of which is what surely would have been the magnum opus of television history, the original fully filmed season 7 finale of The Blacklist.
24:58: The quote that I’m referring to was said by Aretha Franklin in reference to Taylor Swift. Can’t believe I mangled it that badly, but here’s the NPR review that quotes it.
26:05: You should check out our blog because we said so. Here is my concluding article on the Prisoner video game for the curious.
26:12: Be sure to check out Inevitable: A Classic Sci-Fi Podcast for all your obscure science-fiction television needs.
37:26: It’s called compassion fatigue and it’s actually a major problem in front-line workers right now due to COVID-19.
38:42: School shootings happen way too often to even cover adequately in the news anymore.
39:40: According to the CDC, the positive rate of  Influenza testing decreased 100 fold due to mask wearing, social distancing, and other COVID prevention measures.
51:18: As always, “Ianto Jones (19 August 1983-2009) was an ex-member of the ill-fated Torchwood One and a member of Torchwood Three, initially serving as more of a “support man” or “tea boy”, but later taking a more active role in missions.”
52:06: Vera’s page on the TARDIS wiki is no better than Ianto’s in terms of outlining her achievements.
53:53: Our Back Pockets has a solid post on the history of Be gay Do Crimes.
1:02:17: Here is the exact same link I provided last week talking about the Great Leap Forward and its use and connotation with the Chinese Communist Party.


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The Prisoner (2009) 2 – Harmony

I often seek inner peace, or to put it another way, harmony.

These one word titles are giving me wild “Alfred Hitchcock” vibes. If you didn’t know, he was quite fond of naming his movies after one word titles. For example, Psycho or Vertigo is probably his most famous,  but there’s also Deception, Suspicion, Notorious, Rebecca, Marnie, Rope, Sabotage, Saboteur (different movies, I know), Spellbound, Topaz and probably more I’m forgetting. Topaz is the most fun name but the most boring movie. Top tips with Dylan. Anyway, it’s Harmony, written by Bill Gallagher and released on November 15, 2009.


Show-notes:
1:39: I actually couldn’t find the exact airdates for the ITV broadcast, but apparently it was in spring of 2010. This broadcast restored the 6-episode format whereas the original AMC broadcast actually affixed two episodes together into one big thing with one intro and outro over three days.
2:12: Here’s the livejournal post we talk about extensively throughout this episode. Jonathan Blum wrote The Prisoner novel The Prisoner’s Dilemma.
11:03: What is dreampunk? I dunno, but maybe this site can shine some light on the matter.
11:53: Check out Zenith: A Blake’s 7 Podcast for more on the origin of steampunk.
14:45: Palantir (not to be confused with Palantir) is an all seeing orb that was used for evil literally every time we see it in Lord of the Rings even though it’s “not necessarily evil itself.”
15:50: Check out Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast, our Doctor Who podcast, for more about Doctor Who.
18:10: If you google “triple x the movie” you’ll find exactly what we’re actually talking about. If you’re too lazy to do that you could also listen to this Triple Play episode instead.
21:23: Here’s what the poster of In My Mind (the Prisoner documentary) looks like. And hey, would you look at that – here’s our episode on it.
25:05: Nothing in his pocket but knives and lint.
27:41: Never wanted to ride on a bus more than I want to ride on the Malarkey Bus.
29:01: The image of 6 kneeling before the anchor.
41:43: We talk more about the history of Smile in the next episode. Apparently Brian Wilson did fill his dining room with sand during the making of the album.
43:05: The Jefferson Airship saga is well documented, but I think Kiyan is right. A lot more bands should change their name when they evolve and upgrade. To reduce confusion of course.
43:52: Apparently Nine Inch Nails is al/industrial rock.
58:25: The butterfly story/allegory is apparently from ancient Taoist philosophy.
59:30: Awake is obscure enough that I’m just going to drop the Awake wikipedia page here rather than anything else.

Here are some other random sites/sources consulted during this episode:
The Daily Pop – Harmony
Den of Geek – Harmony


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337: Religious Sonority (Categories of Life)

Not to be confused with Religious Seniority.

It’s Categories of Life, written by  Jane Espensen and aired on August 5, 2011.


Show-notes:
0:40: Seth MacFarlane created a lot of other stuff besides Family Guy. Most of it isn’t very good.
29:18: It was in Destiny of the Daleks. Thanks @Prof_Quiteamess and @lisacartman.
31:28: Shockingly, Hillary Duff is still acting in things, they’re just not good things.
32:48: Hillary Clinton also acts in things.
37:50: I guess this is a Hillary Clinton themed episode so here’s what Wikileaks gave us on that topic.
41:54: Who Killed Kennedy?
42:56: The novel Shell Shock indicates hat Peri’s stepfather Howard sexually abused her. But according to the TARDIS wiki, this has been contradicted by other material.
47:05: More on the coffee conundrum here.
52:35: We neglected to mention that the phrase “Great Leap Forward” is also associated with an entirely different totalitarian regime.
1:04:46: According to Wikipedia, Scorpion is ” [l]oosely based on the life of its executive producer and self-proclaimed computer expert Walter O’Brien.” Lol.
1:05:50: You ever check out Fargo, eh?
1:06:11: Rolling Stone reported (in 1988 lol) that in the author’s note to Libra, Don DeLillo wrote that the book was “a work of the imagination” and that “[w]hile drawing from the historical record, [he] made no attempt to furnish factual answers to any questions raised by the assassination” of Kennedy. He said the novel was instead “a way of thinking about the assassination without being constrained by half-facts or overwhelmed by possibilities, by the tide of speculation that widens with the years.”


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The Prisoner (2009) 1 – Arrival

The Prisoner Returns!

This is probably the most divisive show that we’ve done for Inevitable. Our fans have given us various opinions, from bad to great to love to dishonor on the Prisoner’s family. And yet here we are, forging forth and doing it anyway. Because 1) we want to and 2) it’s best to make your own opinions. It’s Arrival, written by Bill Gallagher and released on November 15, 2009.


Show-notes:
1:25: You can find our new blog here. We planned on updating once a week at first, but we realized we couldn’t keep that up with how busy we are lol. We have two Prisoner posts up so far. The first is an introduction to the 1980 Prisoner video game and the second is a playthrough of it.
8:00: Our previous season on The Prisoner (1967) starts with Episode 1 – Arrival as well.
8:10: You can find the Could it Have Been Worse? article on the Unmutual Prisoner Archive.
12:26: If you want to listen to us talk way too much about Doctor Who for some reason, check out our Doctor Who podcast Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast. Also the name of the the city where this series was filmed is Swakopmund.
15:00: Buy your own copy of the Prisoner miniseries.
18:02: Pop Apostle’s page on this episode.
19:15: Here’s an example page from the AMC blog index, as well as one of the production notes that I referenced.
44:10: Here is the Wikipedia page for On Exactitude in Science as well as an online copy of the story in both its original Spanish and an English translation. Also, it was Baudrillard who touched on this story.
51:26: Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling
1:10: Here’s our episode on A, B, and C with Keith as a guest in our first season on The Prisoner. We talk about technology that was sci-fi in the 60s but real now.
1:05:30: If you want to hear us talk about an actual PJ Hammond episode, check out our episodes on Sapphire and Steel, like this one, the first episode.
1:13:03: And if you want to listen to us talk about movie trilogies for whatever reason, check out Triple Play: A Movie Trilogy Podcast, our movie trilogy podcast.
1:25:48: If you want to listen to a great Doctor Who podcast that covers Classic Who episodes in “excruciating detail” (their words, not mine), check out Krynoid Podcast.


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